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The Counterforce Podcast


Featuring the best in music, art, and comics. Extensive interviews with Martin Newell, Carla J. Easton, Tyson Meade, Ian Button, Jah Wobble, Simon Indelicate, Sarah Crackell, Tim Booth, and much more to come.

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Martin Newell discusses working with Andy Partridge on 1993’s The Greatest Living Englishman, his new Star Café indie-musical, and the state of music today.


“Without girl groups we probably would not have had music as we know it…everyone always talks about punk being this seminal movement, but to me it’s ’58-’63.”
The poptastic Carla J. Easton talks about the new record she’s made with producer Howard Bilerman, her favourite songs and songwriters, recording the TeenCanteen album in mono, co-writing and singing a song on the new Belle & Sebastian EP, her love of the girl groups, buying records, and much more. #popforever


“I sent David Immerglück ‘Confused 22’ and I said ‘ok so imagine this song and it’s basically if John Lennon went into a time machine and wound up at the Led Zeppelin III sessions but in the next room Rickie Lee Jones and Black Francis from The Pixies were having a fist fight. That’s what I want this song to sound like’. And he’s like ‘Got it!’”
An excellent conversation with Tyson Meade from Chainsaw Kittens about his new solo record, Robbing The Nuclear Family, and the Kittens 1996 self-titled album, both released this Record Store Day, April 21st. We chat about his surly muse for the new record, living in China, his time with the Kittens, all infused with a whole lotta rock n roll.


Ian Button discusses the history of Papernut Cambridge from dreaming the band name to their fifth album, Outstairs Instairs, out June 29th on Gare Du Nord Records. We talk about the label as a collective as well as his time with Death In Vegas,working with Lawrence and Terry Miles on the latest Go-Kart Mozart album, almost joining The Sisters Of Mercy twice, and falling in love with psychedelic pop as a child. WARNING: During the re-telling of a story, the ‘c’ word gets dropped at 40:22, so NSFW or sensitive ears.


“I think that post-punk was such a fascinating area of music and yet the idea of it was generally better than the music that was produced. There were so many variations, so many kind of records you could have made back then – you could have made Metal Box and put radio collages over the top of it – you could’ve done spoken word, you could’ve done so many different kinds of records, there were so many possibilities, you could use disco, it was very post-modern…it was a great anti-bourgeois kind of thing, but there weren’t enough good albums…not enough brave records at that time.”
Jah Wobble talks to Aug Stone about his new album Dream World, the 2018 World Cup, his 2011 collaboration with Julie Campbell on Psychic Life, his first musical loves, post-punk, the creative process, film scoring, and more.


“There is a sense that Elvis embodies this figure of pure rebellion, the James Dean ‘what are you rebelling against?’ ‘what have you got?’ thing, where you just rebel against whatever it is, subvert the dominant paradigm, that’s the first moral obligation, that Luciferian idea which reaches its apotheosis in Elvis. He’s the archetypal figure who represents that, and everyone since Elvis is like a version of Elvis, even Bowie and glam is a version of that, slightly androgynous, slightly weird, but just pure rebellion through the form of rock n roll.”
Aug Stone talks to Simon Indelicate about his new musical, Paradise Rocks! A reimagining of Milton’s ‘Paradise Lost’ as if it were one of Elvis’ Hawaii movies. We get a brief history of The Indelicates, Corporate Records, and Simon’s other musicals, as well as an account of Simon and friends’ attempt to recreate Bill Drummond & Mark Manning’s ‘Bad Wisdom’ journey to place an icon of Elvis on the North Pole to spread good vibes down the latitudes and save the world.  Also synchronicities, Robert Anton Wilson, performance poetry, and the Vanilla Ice movie…


Good Humor is our fantasy America from when we were kids. It’s our vision of what the States was like, probably wholly inaccurate, but it’s our fantasy America.”
Aug Stone talks to Saint Etienne’s Sarah Cracknell about the 20th anniversary of Good Humor, America, the band’s perceived “quintessential Englishness”, Swedish Pop, the use of the telephone in pop songs, and more.


“We are psychically connected to each other whether we like it or not, but we are also globally connected.”
Aug Stone talks to James singer Tim Booth about Patti Smith, the transformative power of dance, global warming, Russia and our current political climate, Love being the answer to our problems, being a dad who has to go away on tour, the unconscious revealing itself through creativity, and much more. NOTE: Strong language is used. NSFW.